GOG and MAGOG
Concerning the names Gog and Magog, the bible will describe two, one within the kingdoms of man called Gog and Land of Magog, described in the period of the Apostle as tribes to the North of Israel (Turkey), these among others being the enemy of the people Israel. Ezekiel chapters-38, 39 tells of this 'Gog and Land of Magog', in which O Gog is the chief prince of Meshech and Tubal, two cities of Turkey, so the 'land' is Turkey. These people and others from this surrounding region are described involved in a (future) war against the land called Israel.
Of interest concerning Ezekiel chapters 38 and 39 as peoples of Turkey and surrounding area, is recent revelation of an essentially unknown barbarian empire residing in and around Turkey. This empire existed at the same time as the Muslim Empire, in land mass even larger, yet historically known to a very few. This is the Khazar-Empire whose ruler Bulan in 740AD had his people convert to the Judaic Babylon Talmud religion for political purpose. This ruse taken because surrounding them were Christian, Muslim, and Hebrew (Jews). This ruse lasted until 1016AD, when Russo and Byzantine Christians attacked and mortally defeated these barbaric peoples. A few of these fled into what became Russia, the greater number into East Europe, and eventually explains an explosion in population concerning the Hebrew (Jewish) within main land Europe. These same according to Jewish geneticist Eran Elhaik in his research published in yr-2013, were found genetically linked not to the biblical Hebrew nor Semitic people, but are the majority Ashkenazi-Khazarian today that falsely call them selves Jews.
A note about these Kazar people, these similarity to another in the bible, described in Greek often described as 'great', often understood as stature, but more accurately could instead relate to character. This also taking in consideration of now Satan's attributes, as liar, deceiver, and murderer. In this context is the Khazar Empire ruler Bulan described acquiring great wealth by acquiring egregious tribute or tax for traveling the trade routes through their very large Empire, also hiring out great armies to anyone wanting to make war upon another. A character of these army also important, after defeating an enemy, they would then commit rape and pillage of the defeated and defenseless people. This reminding of history, telling of devout Jews that live in peace as God commanded, being described as those being hated and driven historically out of 109 nations. How much more believable is that with character of their father, it was these Khazar from ancient times calling themselves Jew, whose character of greed and usury, were the true evil driven from these nations.
Continuing in this thread, there is another people called 'Gog and Magog' found within Revelation-20 describing the Apocalyptic last days. This last days Apocalyptic will be the Army of Satan, gathered up now include all that belong to Satan, these now in total will be as numerous as the sand on the seashore. Satan's army will march abreast across the entire earth and surround Jerusalem, notice it does not say march from across the Middle East. This last will begin apocalyptic desolation, scripture saying as punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written. However before this as assured in 1 Thessalonians 4:17, is validated in Matthew 24:31 describing at Christ's return, all Christians are now found from one end of the heavens to the other.
Of the first Gog and Land of Magog in general, a number of individuals and tribes of various periods have been given such names. The prophetic use in Revelation-20 is the barbaric 'enemy' or army that will in the last days surround Jerusalem, called the 'Camp of Gods' people. The bible describes this as beginning desolation of Jerusalem, being desolation that will eventually include the entire earth. Today looking back over mans history to recognize the symbology for these events, shows as Gods word proclaims, that it is mans own wickedness and the prince of this world and his servants who bring these prophetic events to pass. Surely God uses or permits man in predestination to bring their own downfall, yet this in no way saying God has caused the evil in which men are responsible.
To continue with Gog and Magog in the very last days belonging to Satan, these are described in Revelation-20 verses 8-9 saying, "Gog and Magog — to gather them for battle. In number they are like the sand on the seashore. They marched across the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of God's people, the city he loves." This is further described in Luke 21 verses 21-22 saying, "When you see Jerusalem being surrounded by armies, you will know that its desolation is near. Then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains, let those in the city get out, and let those in the country not enter the city. For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written." These last remaining faithful into 1335 days of Satan's rule, fleeing to Zion, are the remnant that return to the Lord God.
These as an army of Satan could accurately be the second resurrection, these now an army complete of those belonging to the prince of the world released for a short time to be ruler over the earth. Now because of a sacrificial alter described in Daniel located within an edge or wing location within Jerusalem, followed by the failure of Satan's false peace, Satan gathers his army for battle both naturally and spiritually against Jerusalem, today called the State of Israel. Within this Israel would be both the remnant elect holding faithfully in obedience to God, yet also another people calling themselves Jew, however are described in these last days as Gentile trampling the streets of Jerusalem, until the time of the Gentile ends. In these last of end days the remnant of the scattered Hebrew people in tears return to God, while the rebel in revolt against God are purged from them, these purged are said will not enter (the eternal) Israel, this eternal Israel is the new creations of the new heavens, new earth, and new Jerusalem within the age to come, described by Christ saying, Revelations 21:5 "And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful."
Then it is the nature of the seed of Satan and his followers who are predestined or permitted to bring about desolation and judgment prophesied in the end time, and God who will carry out final judgment in the Lake of Fire. As described in the bible, these events begin as the natural, and end in the supernatural. About the Gentile trampling the streets of Jerusalem until the end of times, a pertinent fact is that these Gentile today then are the Khazarian who call themselves Jew, but are not... and these today the predominant secular population within the State of Israel. Their holy book the Babylon Talmud replacing the Hebrew Tanakh, this Talmud in which is the only place found a Shekinah female god, reminding that unlike the biblical Hebrew tracing heritage through the father, instead these Jewish as Gentile imposters trace heritage through the mother.
John uses the names Gog and Magog that are familiar earlier as barbaric tribes who were Gog associated with the Sythian tribes to the North, and Magog being the Caucasians further North who may in part been peoples within what becomes Russia. These two tribes or nations were in constant contention with each other. The Southern or Sythian tribes eventually erect a wall between themselves and the Northern Caucasians whom they consider barbarians. This wall built by the Sythians is not the wall of China, being instead the wall not long ago found in remnant places still standing. Today these former Russian satellites having converted as Muslim much dissatisfied as second class citizens, who for decades before the breakup of Russia, were active in purpose if not fact in the fall of Zionist (Communist) Russia. Many of these are Muslim tribes of Islam that have been led in events by world Empires to want an end of Israel, or more accurately an end of the aggression by the secular Zionist government within the State of Israel. Recently former Pres-Cartel accurately called the Zionist aggression as Apartheid against Palestinian's.
So then Gog of Old Testament is called O Gog the prince of cities Meshech and Tubal, while Land of Magog then would be Turkey. The peoples of this region would have been a variety of skin colors. About this skin pigmentation, it would have existed from the time of Noah and the flood. There is belief that as tribes from Noah spread outward the genetic dominance of ever smaller and isolated tribal-family fixed more firmly their genetic skin color. Of the son's of Noah, Japheth could be considered the father of the Caucasians or tribes who migrated into West Asia and Europe. Shem could be considered the father of tribes migrating to the Middle East and Asia. Ham then could be the father of tribes who migrated southward and into Africa.
The tribe's/empire's/kingdom's of the Old Testament will one day attack Israel of this earth age, these certainly will not be limited to the Islamic, the Islamic religion originated much later around 600AD. Arabs were people that worshiped many gods of that time, however the Muslim or believer in the Quran say they worship the God of Ishmael, the fist son of Abraham. Certainly in time there will be a great falling away of all mankind the result of Satan's work, and among these will be Muslim (believer), Jewish (believer), and Christian (believer). Yet these fallen at that time can hardly be called Islamic, Jewish, or Christian, but will in fact be as were those long ago likened to Sodom and Gomorrah. Today Satan has many involved in a religious war, how this is happening one professional has dubbed as the Lucifer Effect. One sign of this time will be of a people wanting to believe their own lies, denying what is obvious all about them.
Ezekiel-38 is often used to teach of a time when nations and people will join against Israel at peace, this is not found true today. Peace is prophetically described after the last days, after Satan's false peace, scripture events then transit from natural to spiritual wars until the end. Nor today is found the New Jerusalem that Paul calls the enduring city yet to come, nor as the Apostle sought in 2 Peter 3:13 "Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness." In Ezekiel take note of verses repeated such as Ezek 38:14 ...when my people Israel are living in safety... this clearly indicates all the people with not one left behind. Prophecy tells of a time to come when the Lord God reunites the House of Israel and Judah, as yet many remain scattered among the nations. Note also a condition contradictory to present wall building, saying in Ezek 38:11 ...living without walls, and without gates or bars. Again these verses clearly describe the new creations described by Isaiah, of New Heavens and Earth, where also is found creation of Jerusalem where the people are a joy. This New Jerusalem will come down or is revealed from heaven, in which is found for eternity the Sanctuary or Temple built by the hands of God.
Shortly after Satan is revealed and commits the abomination, Satan then perhaps rejected gathers an army (Gog and Magog) to make war upon the camp of Gods people. In the last day and by this time there will not be one saint nor upright and righteous remaining on earth. This we know because at the Return of the Lord He sends the angels to gather (all saints) not on earth, but from one end of the heavens to the other. Note the 'four winds' mentioned in this verse were previously found only in the heaven, however now found on earth disbursing the symbolic sevens events. Concerning the 'meek inherit the earth', at Christ's return, this is what is describes of those remaining on earth in Revelation 1:7 "Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen."
Returning to the people and great tribes or empires of prophecy, these do not remain as found in present day, nor will the empires of today necessarily be the empires that will exist in the end time. Scripture however uses these 'people' of the past in symbology to describe what will exist in the end time, and these individual tribes and empires are those who now envelope the entire world. In the end day's great nations of the world are described as involved, and if not directly participating, will at least assist with moral desire. The location of most import concerning this prophecy being Gog and Magog armies more numerous than the sands gathered by Satan that march across the breadth of the earth, involved in destruction as they pass, who then surround "the camp of God's people, but identifing these only as a people that mourn in seeing the return of the Lord. The preceding natural wars (before spiritual apocalyptic war) may well be yet in this earth, but progress as a spiritual war at Christ's arrival.
Regarding this land of Israel today, there appears real possibility it would not literally hold the entire peoples or Jewish including generations past, including those still living together with the Gentile now also spliced into the Family of God through the salvation works of Christ, this despite figures today that show a shrinking Jewish population worldwide. Few are aware also that Israel of today covers but a very small part of the Promised Land. The Promised Land being most of Syria, about half of Iraq, a part of Saudi Arabia, all of Jordan, all of Lebanon, a small part of Egypt, a smidgen of Turkey and Kuwait, and of course all of Palestine. The gathering of the remnant or elect of Israel of past generations; including the righteous at the return of Christ, for this reason in prophecy such as Isaiah 65:17-19 points to a spiritual existence and location that scripture calls the new creation's of New Jerusalem of the New Heaven and New Earth, also called the home of righteousness.
Today in world population there are but a small portion (estimated at about 20-30% of Jewish population worldwide) that now reside permanently within Israel, some now counted citizen may instead be dual citizens residing in other nations, and of concern many in the State of Israel are secular in belief. What should also be considered in this context is the salvation work of the Messiah Christ Jesus, Christ having spliced into or added greatly to the family of God. Regarding the (dry bones) called the 'Whole House of Israel', these in prophesy symbolically brought back to life, these alone include vast numbers of Jewish people from all ages. Despite Apostle John having said not all who call themselves a Jew are a Jew, the numbers of the above righteous and upright should be vast numbers, described to Abraham being as numerous as the grains of sand and stars in the sky.
As the New Testament prophetically describes, will be the Gentile described in Revelations symbolically that for 42 months (3 1/2 years) trample the outer court, some offering proof declare the Zionist of Israel not being of Hebrew heritage nor of Semitic peoples, and may well be the Gentile trampling the outer court. Revelation 20:15 then describes all wicked ending with judgment going to their destruction in the Lake of Fire. The age to come being the promise of God, this promise being the New Jerusalem that comes down (or is revealed) from heaven in which is found the bride (saints), where the New Heavens and the New Earth are described as yet is found no sea (meaning people). However it is within this New Jerusalem of heaven in which is found the bride and Sanctuary or Temple of God that He will place among His people forever.
In the books of John, Daniel, Ezekiel, Isaiah and Revelations and others, the prophetic names Gog and Magog then symbolize the instigative Magog and the armies of Gog who in the end day surround Israel, this being the sign that desolation is near. These armies invade Israel and great desolation begins as told in Luke 21:21-22 "For this is the time of punishment in fulfillment of all that has been written." The abomination that causes desolation will then stand in the holy place of Jerusalem. This does not necessarily mean within a new Holy Temple as where abominations done within earlier history, and could mean instead a high or holy place of significance, and this being associated with Jerusalem itself where God places great significance. Also God does not vary from His prophetic word, remembering the time for the Gentile is ended, the 70th Week Prophecy begins again first the Jew and then the Gentile. Prophetic events for both has and will continue in that order, desolation in prophetic time scale ends in final judgment called the second death.
In reference to Jerusalem; this is the city that joined the House of Israel in the North with the House of Judah in the South, Jerusalem today is the same city in contention between Jewish and Muslim. Here in Jerusalem will be found the abomination in the place that it should not be. There is indication of some agreement or covenant between many (presumed the people's of or surrounding Israel) and this leading to the abomination. God is clear that His anger continues against the rebellious people to this day. In this pretext concerning the gathering occurring of Jewish people into the State of Israel today, the advice during desolation to Flee to the mountain wold only mean for the remnant elect to seek and return to God. Another understanding of this prophecy is that this is where the remnant will survive until the gathering by God, a remnant indicated from Ezek 20:37-38 "I will purge you of those who revolt and rebel against me. Although I will bring them out of the land where they are living, yet they will not enter the land of Israel. Then you will know that I am the LORD." After this gathering will begin the New Heaven and Earth promised, where is found the New Jerusalem and where also is found the Sanctuary or Temple of God for eternity, this city spoken prophetically by Paul in Heb 13:13-14 "For here we do not have an enduring city, but we are looking for the city that is to come." Where also the Apostle found everlasying assurance saying, 2 Peter 3:13"Nevertheless we, according to His promise, look for new heavens and a new earth in which righteousness dwells."
Zechariah chapters 12-13 describes this very return after the Lord shows Himself in the miraculous destruction of the invading armies, and the miraculous strength enabled and given the chosen people. Here the Lord saves Judah first, pouring out grace and supplication, and on that day a fountain is opened on the house of David and inhabitants of Jerusalem, to cleanse them from sin and impurity. The inhabitants of Jerusalem meaning the scattered chosen people in end times are then gathered by God. This prophetic word is found in Dan 9:24 "...decreed for your people and your holy city to finish transgression, to put an end to sin, to atone for wickedness..." Here also we learn that the chosen do not cleanse themselves; this will be grace provided by God, after purging those who rebel against God, these remnant are gathered into new covenant and into the eternal Israel. Remembering where this eternal Kingdom came, answered by Christ in John 14:2-4 "In my Father's house are many rooms; if it were not so, I would have told you. I am going there to prepare a place for you. And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come back and take you to be with me that you also may be where I am. You know the way to the place where I am going."
Daniel is the book of prophetic visions using symbolic descriptions to describe conditions during and leading up to the end times, with desolation, deliverance, ending in judgment and God gathering the saints or righteous. The symbolism describes different visions in details of symbolism, the meaning of these for the discerning to understand. The details of this symbolism are a guide for the righteous, that they not be unaware.
Daniel 2 tells of the vision describing the great statue of a king as symbolic extension into end day kingdoms.
Daniel 7 tells of symbolic vision of animals/beasts as kingdoms warring against and defeating the saints until God brings judgment.
Daniel 8 tells of the vision describing the ram and goat battle with horns of power, the later setting itself up as prince and receiving sacrifices of the saints until it is destroyed.
Daniel 9 tells of Gabriel appearing before Daniel in numerological and prophetic description concerning the rebuilding of present Jerusalem where transgressions will end in desolation.
Daniel 10-11 tells of the vision describing the Great War to come, an invasion and subsequent contract or agreement until the time of wrath then ends this age.
Daniel 12 describing the time of deliverance.
Gabriel appears after Daniel has prayed for mercy to be given Israel, Gabriel gives these instructions concerning Israel. The people and city are to finish transgressions, put an end to sin, atone for wickedness, and to bring everlasting righteousness, anointing the most holy. Before this they have a decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem, this until the Anointed One the ruler comes. In this period would be seven 'sevens' and sixty-two 'sevens', rebuilding during this appointed time would be during a time of trouble. After sixty-two 'sevens' the Anointed One will be cut off and have nothing, then the people of the prince will come and destroy the city and sanctuary. Between the prophetic 69 and 70 week, there appears to be inserted a time for the Gentile to fulfill, this appears to be present time and until Satan is released from the abyss.
The abomination will make a covenant for one 'seven' and in the middle he will put and end to sacrifice and offering. In a Holy place he will set up an abomination that causes desolation, in desolation there will be disasters followed with curses and wars to the end. The sanctuary we are told in Daniel that is destroyed, is in a wing (edge) of the temple and may indicate an alter within a holy place or Mountain (such as remnant of Herods Temple). It happened that after the first Temple was destroyed similar sacrifices were done upon a special alter in a sanctified location, before the second Temple was constructed. The Old and New Testament tells us that the prophetic Temple for eternity is the Sanctuary or Temple described in Revelations as now found in heaven, this Sanctuary or Temple comes down out of heaven having also the bride within the New Jerusalem.
The instructions of Gabriel do not call for rebuilding the Temple in Jerusalem. Jerusalem is where three historic Temples were built (third more accurately a rebuilding by Herod) and in separate periods in past history destroyed. The sanctuary Gabriel describes at the end of his instructions as being destroyed, is believed by some to mean a Temple, however the offhand mention of this sanctuary implies not the House of the Lord or Temple, but instead an alter within a wing edge or border area of a Holy place. Although the Hebrew Temple is described in detail from historic observance or visual description, the historic records of exact architectural measurements have important variations in contention that first need attention. Not only this, but the land outlay and foundation appear to have similar problems also needing consideration. Today of course on this site a Muslim Mosque now resides, also today the Palestinian's call Jerusalem as their capital.
In the Bible Ezekiel describes his instructions in which he is to prophecy judgment executed against Israel, events apparently having already begun, eventually to include the entire world. The Lord speaks out against the prophets and divinations, describing His wrath in symbolism no less frightening. It describes God choosing a people, the people going astray, the scattering, and God gathering the scattered out of the nations into the desert of these nations, here those who rebel against God are purged out of the people, those purged are said not allowed to be taken into Israel. After the prophetic judgment and wrath a remnant/elect are the righteous who are then brought into covenant and into Israel for eternity.
Isaiah in prophetic narration is in great detail covering many events from the very beginning to the very end. In his prophetic words there is warnings, promises, instructions, disasters, descriptions, convictions, all of which end in judgment with salvation for the righteous. In Isaiah we could each find ourselves, the words of Isaiah meant to involve mankind where they may find themselves. To explain Isaiah's prophetic words would be to describe mankind, let men find themselves.
Revelation is the culmination of the prophetic given John describing the end; these include in symbology the churches, entities or corporeal establishments of man, telling in symbology the descriptions or fate for all. Again, let each man find themselves in these prophetic words. Revelations 11:1-2 tells of symbolic measuring of the temple and from symbolic description would strongly indicate an earthly and prophetic condition, describing an alter and counting the worshipers, but excludes the outer courts that are given to the Gentiles. This scripture continues in describing spiritual events in which God will bring conclusion. In 2 Thess. 2:4 again the temple is spoken of in symbology, Jerusalem itself is the holy city being that which needs purifying or atonement described by archangel Michael. In Matt. 24:15 again speaks symbolically of the 'holy place', and here speaking of Christ who is the last sacrifice and now our high priest, also the Messiah to all mankind who is given all power and authority, John in Revelations saying God and the Lamb are the Temple in heaven.
The question regarding Jewish people today is, who is a Jew? In Israel today there is in fact a definition. Perhaps as important however is this question, who are the people of God? This has different definitions depending on whose are used, but in truth we are all Gods creation. Then most important, who does God chose for himself, and this also has different definition depending upon the religious who speak for God. Today in the world we have basically three religion's speaking for God, the original Hebrew we today call Jew, the Gentile Christian grafted in by Christ, and the Islamic whose God is the God of Ishmael, and whose prophet is Mohammed. As a Christian my belief is in the one God who is the triune God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Both Islamic and Jewish denying that Christ is a part of the Deity, Islamic accepting Jesus as a Prophet, the faithful Judaic (Jew) accepting Jesus as a Teacher or man.
For those who believe in the promised lands and it's dispersal to the tribes as commanded, read again Ezekiel 47:21-23, for you may certainly be the alien/stranger symbolically mentioned. The Bible promises our Messiah will return again, when Christ returns the repentant of Israel will be rescued, so also will all those whose names are written in the book of life. God will then establish the new age of the New Jerusalem in the New Heavens and New Earth age. For a Christian to believe the Temple needs be rebuilt in what remains of this earth age, is to negate the works and sacrifice of our Messiah who is Christ Jesus. Christ accurately describes a sacrificial alter of the Temple in Hebrew 10, a very harsh description. The entire New Testament describes both the new Temple and Sacrifice. About the things that must take place before the return of Christ, there is no prophecy, other than understanding the signs of (these) times, and these signs are accurately and thoroughly described by Christ in the Bible.
Read again in Acts 17:24 "The God who made the world and everything in it is the Lord of heaven and earth and does not live in temples built by hands." The Temple of the Lord today is not built by man, but is spiritual and symbolic as told in 2 Cor. 6:16 "...we are the temple of the living God," and again in Eph. 2:21 "In him the whole building is joined and held together and rises to become the holy temple of the Lord." The holy of holies then became Christ our High Priest, as in Mark 15:38 "The curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom." Today many false prophets and teachers are busily leading even the elect astray. Some appear to have found and teach a New Covenant that sounds similar to the old but with individual kingdoms over which they will rule, I prefer instead teachings that agree with every word of the Bible.
Today within the Christian church are some calling themselves Dominionist, Reconstructionist, and Dispensationalist, forming since the 18th century, these have been preparing their followers not for spiritual war, but for literal war of attrition, aggressively teaching hate and retribution. Christians are children or babes if immature, yet some confessing themselves mature leaders are teaching young children with choreographed training involving implied weapons of aggression.
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