Born sinful (or) Into Sin

This study asks Christians to consider their words, if they are saying that man is basically (beginning as) evil, or man is born as sinful. Nor are common man in another part of the world irredeemable and evil, for nowhere in Gods word is this taught. Read carefully Roman 5:12 that says sin entered the world, not that sin entered man, God said the 'flesh' is weak, not that it born evil. What of John 16:28 that says Christ entered the world, this neither stopped all mankind from doing evil, or continuing in sin. What God's word says is that all men of flesh nature (within their lifetime) will sin, God gave the law to convict men of their sin. About this sin nature during their lifetime, God said in Gen 8:21 "...even though every inclination of his heart is evil from childhood...". Now in flesh body, there is something God wants to redeem, is it the original innocence?

What we must remember and consider is that Satan does not make us sin, scripture clearly tells us that Satan is the deceiver who 'tempts' man to sin. Also necessary to remember, Adam and Eve were not sinful from the beginning, and the warning of God to Adam was not about Satan/Serpent, the warning was not to eat of the forbidden fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. And here we have the beginning of sin, not Satan who deceives, but the knowledge of good and evil that wars against innocence. Indeed sin entered the world when Satan entered the world, but the two are not an inclusive one, the one is deceiver, and the other is the deceived who willfully disobeyed God in taking from the tree knowledge of evil that despoils innocence. A study of interest is that the fruit was of both the knowledge good and evil.

However today for those now saint by the cleansing blood of Christ, still living in this world, in the world are also the dark spirit's of evil. It is true the Lord God no longer remembers our sins confessed and forgiven, however these dark spirits or familiar spirits in this world have no requirement to forget. And here the deceiver may in times of our weakness try to re-introduce these past sins into ourselves or our homes through deception. Here is required discernment or spiritual gifted counselor, and with discernment help boldly hold onto our spiritual cleansing, also denouncing the lies of the deceiver. The saint need not accept these dark spirits or familiar spirits that may try re-entering our lives in weakness, about this we have instruction in James 5:15-16 "Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective." In this we also have assurance told of in 1 John 1:9-10 "If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just and will forgive us our sins and purify us from all unrighteousness."

The creation by Word of God in many parts is open for all to see and limited only by our vision in understanding. So the creation of ourselves may be observed, if we use the eyes of our heart. Remember God said of our creation in Gen 2:6-7 "...the LORD God formed the man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man became a living being." From this scripture we see that our flesh body is the dust of the ground, our spirit being the breath of God, and as a new slate or babe our being is our soul. This mystery of our beginning God has then described, it is our life upon this earth that only God foresaw in the beginning of time, and God having provided a way of escape.

Some quote scripture they believe shows pre-existing sin, such as Isa 48:8 "You have neither heard nor understood; from of old your ear has not been open. Well do I know how treacherous you are; you were called a rebel from birth." However in this verse God is speaking of a corporeal people, the people of Israel (house of Jacob) from the line of Judah, and not of a newborn, stated also as after birthed into the world and not as having pre-existing sin. Also is quoted Ps 58:3 "Even from birth the wicked go astray; from the womb they are wayward and speak lies." Reading more closely shows God speaking with foreknowledge of mankind from (meaning after) birth are wicked and go astray, not saying they were wicked within the womb, but (after) birthed 'from the womb are wayward and speak lies'. God speaks of hating a man even before birth, this again is from pre-knowledge, nowhere in the Bible does God say or give any reason to believe He hates an innocent person while still in the womb.

Within the Bible is not only the inspired word of God, but also passages that are the desires or lamenting and anguish of man, such as David when saying, Ps 51:5-6 "Surely I was sinful at birth, sinful from the time my mother conceived me. Surely you desire truth in the inner parts; you teach me wisdom in the inmost place." Remember also when not in anguish or lamenting was said by the wisdom of Solomon in Eccl 7:29 "This only have I found: God made mankind upright, but men have gone in search of many schemes." Upright in this context means we were not created as sinful, yet losing innocence with the knowledge of evil, when in thought or commission then we do sin. God warns us that our nature and flesh is toward sin as described in Rom 3:22-23 "...for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God." Yet remember our spirit is God breathed, and about our spirit we are told in Matt 26:41 "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."

This as above is little different than others in great distress pleading for God to bring harsh and grievous suffering upon their enemies. God said of David he was a man after His own heart, yet we should not allow one mans words change meaning of the entire Bible. The Lord God says in James 4:7 "Submit yourselves, then, to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you." In this speaking of one misled to sin saying 1 John 5:16 "If anyone sees his brother commit a sin that does not lead to death, he should pray and God will give him life. So it is not the misled, but instead the rebel in revolt against God as the unbeliever that is in danger of judgment described in 2 Cor 4:4 "The god of this age has blinded the minds of unbelievers, so that they cannot see the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God." So the misled as the brother that stumbles into sin but may yet repent may be prayed for and yet be saved, the unforgivable sin here is not the misled, but the one misleading by doing the work of his father.

If we were to discern Gods will by the words of man, even when found in the Bible, we would believe as some that a babe born with but one breath before dying is then cast into hell to suffer the wrath of God forever. Here instead is what Gods word says about the innocent in Job 4:7 "Consider now: Who, being innocent, has ever perished? Where were the upright ever destroyed?" The perishing or destruction refers the second death or death of the soul, and few find understanding in Gods word that a babe stillborn will see the wrath of God for their wicked and unrepentant sin. Consider, if evil was the property and originated with man, we would not have to be warned by God against sin or the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

It is true that death came because of sin as in Rom 5:12 "...just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, and in this way death came to all men, because all sinned-". But remember also 1 John 5:16-17 "All wrongdoing is sin, and there is sin that does not lead to death." This is the origin of sin, through one man Adam in the spiritual realm of Eden who before was innocent, being deceived and acquiring or learning the forbidden knowledge, now all who enter life can and do learn or acquire this knowledge. But can the progression of receiving this knowledge of evil be understood. Consider that each soul as was Adam originally is innocent as far as evil, beginning as innocent but inheriting the original knowledge of evil. The knowledge is there and the deceiver is there, awaiting only the soul who of surety in time with this knowledge will come to temptation, and as God has said, all then sin.

This we do know, Genesis tells us of God, the Word of God, and the Spirit of God, and that God made man in His image. The Word later as Christ Jesus becoming a little lower than the angels and born into flesh body. Throughout scripture it was never Gods plan to rescue the flesh of man, Gods plan is to rescue the soul of man. The Bible progresses to the sixth day after all creation, when all of the souls of creation would then exist, yet in progression many awaited birth and receiving the breath of life (as spirit) to become a newborn flesh body with soul. This newborn like a new slate, a soul innocent from creation, yet in lineage of Adam and inheritor from the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Scripture describes this man, that all flesh is bent to sin and weak. Scripture tells us of the spirit, that the spirit is willing. God then continues with command that our spirit take control over our flesh, in so doing also renewing our mind. Then in every life God has foreknowledge, as God has foreknowledge so He then predestines, we then are predestined in accordance with our choice and free will during our life. God did not create man some for damnation, and some for grace, God has clearly told us that it is not His will that any should perish.

It is God who works within the obedient, and the war that as a result goes on within our complex self is given excellent description in Rom 7:18-24 "For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh) nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but how to perform what is good I do not find. For the good that I will to do, I do not do; but the evil I will not to do, that I practice. Now if I do what I will not to do, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells in me. I find then a law, that evil is present with me, the one who wills to do good. For I delight in the law of God according to the inward man. But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members."

Concerning evil and sin, we should remember that Jesus said of the children in Matt 19:14 "Let the little children come to me, and do not hinder them, for the kingdom of heaven belongs to such as these." Christ is not telling us that these children are evil or dead in sin, Christ did not beforehand forgive any sins of these children, yet laid hands on and blessed them. Again while teaching the lesson of the lost sheep, Christ said in Matt 18:14 "In the same way your Father in heaven is not willing that any of these little ones should be lost." Christ did not say the little one was already lost, but spoke of those during life who would fall away into sin and perish in death before repentance and redemption.

The lesson here is that greater understanding is needed about sin entering the world, it was by knowledge of evil we enter into sin and death. It is true that the flesh is bent toward sin and our hearts are in danger of sinning, as it says in Matt 26:40-41 "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak." In the natural world of Genesis-1 and the spiritual world of Genesis-2, there is needed and very complex teaching. The transition from the spiritual world into the natural world cannot be understood in the same realm as progression in time, yet progression there is. To apply the natural to the spiritual may be confusing, but God is a God of order, and to an extent the spiritual may be observed in it's effect upon the natural.

God ordained that between Satan (and those who followed Satan), and Christ (and those who follow Christ) there would be enmity. This is described in Gen 3:15 "And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers..." However under law God could not allow guilt (sin) to go unpunished, as in Numbers 14:18 "...he punishes the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation." Yet even here scripture explains it is sin (hate) carried on through generations as in Exodus 20:5 "...punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me." Not all will hate the Lord, and these are given a promise in Ps 112:1-2 "Blessed is the man who fears the LORD, who finds great delight in his commands. His children will be mighty in the land; the generation of the upright will be blessed."

During the times when tribes of fathers were obedient to God, in these generations God loved and cared for His people. During the times they strayed away, turning away from God, punishment was allowed often by their enemies for generations before His people in repentance returned to God. This brings into question the children of tribal fathers who strayed from God. Babies are sometimes stillborn, born dead, what sin of the baby caused their death, does God in judgment condemn them as sinners to be destroyed in the second death. Gods chosen knew there was a time of accountability for children, a time they must choose between good and evil. In this God has given us the New Covenant, and Christ spoke about the children or babes who came to him, or those as children (innocent) yet are men repentant and redeemed through the blood of Christ.

Evil then entered the world and thereafter man having knowledge of good and evil, and thereafter having the nature of all flesh to sin. But we of grace know the Bible says in 1Cor 15:45-49 "...The first man Adam became a living being; the last Adam, a life giving spirit. The spiritual did not come first, but the natural, and after that the spiritual. The first man was of the dust of the earth, the second man from heaven. As was the earthly man, so are those who are of earth; and as is the man from heaven, so also are those who are of heaven. And just as we have borne the likeness of the earthly man, so shall we bear the likeness of the man from heaven."

Then it is not the babe or child who is evil, but the flesh we are born into that is bent toward evil, and the nature of our flesh which is weak sins as the knowledge of evil develops. However we are more than flesh, for we are a soul who has both a flesh body, and spirit. So it is our flesh and spirit that is commented upon in Mark 14:38 "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak." However as Paul said about his salvation through Christ, it is no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me, and this is born out true in Rom 8:10 "But if Christ is in you, your body is dead because of sin, yet your spirit is alive because of righteousness."

There is a study that I will leave to another, the Lord has not given me desire or insight into the matter. It concerns the heart and here concerning the knowledge of good and evil. It concerns being as wise as the serpent, yet as innocent as the dove. It concerns the wisdom and knowledge of God, and here scripture needs understanding in Gen 3:21-22 "And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil." Scripture says God and none other is good. Scripture says Jesus is innocent and sinless. Of the triune God, is the one with knowledge of good and evil then an evil part of God, in my heart I know this untrue. Then is it true the knowledge of good and evil is not sinful, it is the workings and doings of evil that is sinful.

Remember that God did not first predestine man without foreknowledge, this is not the way of our Lord. God in His infinite wisdom first foresaw our life entirely, and from what God foresaw He then predestined as said in Rom 8:29 "For those God foreknew he also predestined to be conformed to the likeness of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brothers." It should also be mentioned, that not all sickness and death is related to sin, as regarding the child born blind described in John 9:3-4 "Neither this man nor his parents sinned," said Jesus, "but this happened so that the work of God might be displayed in his life." Yet it appears that the deceiver may work even through members of our own tribe and family.

We are aware of predestination, that God did not say He created some for wrath and some for salvation. Scripture concerning Predestination does not say God (first) predestined and afterward foreknew those who would be conformed to the likeness of his Son. In this life God gives us free will, this is the purpose of our life. We are more than flesh, we are also the God breathed spirit of life. It was when God breathed life into man who was first clay of the earth, that man became a living being. God created us in His image, God established a time to be born, and a time to die (1st death), and then (only) comes His judgment. It was never Gods intention to rescue the flesh body, it is the soul of the spiritual being that God longs for.

Our new body we will receive for eternity is not the old body of flesh being corruptible, the new body instead is described both as the imperishable spiritual and heavenly body in 1 Cor 15:42-45 "So will it be with the resurrection of the dead. The body that is sown is perishable, it is raised imperishable; it is sown in dishonor, it is raised in glory; it is sown in weakness, it is raised in power; it is sown a natural body, it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body." This also expressed in 1 Cor 15:40 "There are also heavenly bodies and there are earthly bodies; but the splendor of the heavenly bodies is one kind, and the splendor of the earthly bodies is another." And so it is not a body of flesh that is resurrected but instead returns to the dust of the earth from whence it came, it is the soul that is resurrected and given an eternal heavenly body, this is explained within 1 Peter 1:8-9 "...for you are receiving the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls."

Then I contend it is wrong to call in creation what God said was "very good," as evil, or in its beginning is sinful. The same also is true if condemning the common people in another place upon earth as damned, because God did not create man for this purpose, this is the lesson the Lord taught in Acts 11:5-6 "I saw a vision. I saw something like a large sheet being let down from heaven by its four corners, and it came down to where I was. I looked into it and saw four-footed animals of the earth, wild beasts, reptiles, and birds of the air." This represented not the animals within the sheet, it was to show that the Gentiles were also those God created. The lesson is that God only judges and predestines who is and who is not in the book of life, although we may judge the works of man.

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